Comments on: Security trumps environment as Obama gives green light to US consumption of Alberta’s oil. http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/post/security-trumps-environment-as-obama-gives-green-light-to-us-consumption-of-alberta%e2%80%99s-oil/ Independent analysis of climate policy Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:01:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Global Warming Hoax Weekly Round-Up, June 26th 2009 - Part 3 - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source! http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/post/security-trumps-environment-as-obama-gives-green-light-to-us-consumption-of-alberta%e2%80%99s-oil/#comment-3019 Global Warming Hoax Weekly Round-Up, June 26th 2009 - Part 3 - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:28:28 +0000 http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/?p=3418#comment-3019 [...] what could possibly go wrong, again? Lefty heads popped all over America and Canada as President O spoke favorably of Alberta [...] what could possibly go wrong, again? Lefty heads popped all over America and Canada as President O spoke favorably of Alberta

]]> By: Chris http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/post/security-trumps-environment-as-obama-gives-green-light-to-us-consumption-of-alberta%e2%80%99s-oil/#comment-2644 Chris Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:16:47 +0000 http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/?p=3418#comment-2644 Tom - CI'm not quite sure where you're coming from there. ddbleader 61 - I apologise for the mistake ( provinces not states) but there is a significant amount of discourse in the US on Canada's tar sands within the environmental and scientific movement and its far too much a simplification to say US recognises canada's right to its own resources - that somewhat misses the point of all climate negotiations. Tom – CI’m not quite sure where you’re coming from there.

ddbleader 61 – I apologise for the mistake ( provinces not states) but there is a significant amount of discourse in the US on Canada’s tar sands within the environmental and scientific movement and its far too much a simplification to say US recognises canada’s right to its own resources – that somewhat misses the point of all climate negotiations.

]]> By: ddbleader61 http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/post/security-trumps-environment-as-obama-gives-green-light-to-us-consumption-of-alberta%e2%80%99s-oil/#comment-2629 ddbleader61 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:20:08 +0000 http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/?p=3418#comment-2629 Er...Canada has provinces not states. Not that much of the discourse in the U.S. about the tar sands recognizes Canada's sovereignty over its own resources anyway. Er…Canada has provinces not states. Not that much of the discourse in the U.S. about the tar sands recognizes Canada’s sovereignty over its own resources anyway.

]]> By: Scientists Ask For Higher CO2 Cuts at Copenhagen’s Spring | Introducing Earth Saving Tech http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/post/security-trumps-environment-as-obama-gives-green-light-to-us-consumption-of-alberta%e2%80%99s-oil/#comment-2544 Scientists Ask For Higher CO2 Cuts at Copenhagen’s Spring | Introducing Earth Saving Tech Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:56:31 +0000 http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/?p=3418#comment-2544 [...] Climatico » Security trumps environment as Obama gives green light … [...] [...] Climatico » Security trumps environment as Obama gives green light … [...]

]]> By: Chris http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/post/security-trumps-environment-as-obama-gives-green-light-to-us-consumption-of-alberta%e2%80%99s-oil/#comment-2543 Chris Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:24:37 +0000 http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/?p=3418#comment-2543 Milan - I agree that the oil sands are inconsistent with any serious Climate Change target, its liuke the UK and Kingsnorth Power station. The real problem, as I highlighted in a previous post is that there is too much weath and concomitant geo-political power to be gained from developing tar sands that I imagine they will receive a large amount of political protection. Presumably this could also have a knock on effect in international negotiations where other countries use Canada's oil sands as leverage for their own special opt-out. Either the environment lobby will have to really push to change Canadian attitudes - and/or international pressure to move forward again, or the same groups will demand deeper cuts elsewhere to compensate. Neither seems ideal. Milan – I agree that the oil sands are inconsistent with any serious Climate Change target, its liuke the UK and Kingsnorth Power station. The real problem, as I highlighted in a previous post is that there is too much weath and concomitant geo-political power to be gained from developing tar sands that I imagine they will receive a large amount of political protection.

Presumably this could also have a knock on effect in international negotiations where other countries use Canada’s oil sands as leverage for their own special opt-out.

Either the environment lobby will have to really push to change Canadian attitudes – and/or international pressure to move forward again, or the same groups will demand deeper cuts elsewhere to compensate. Neither seems ideal.

]]> By: Tom C. http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/post/security-trumps-environment-as-obama-gives-green-light-to-us-consumption-of-alberta%e2%80%99s-oil/#comment-2535 Tom C. Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:23:23 +0000 http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/?p=3418#comment-2535 i would like to see one AGW cite obe single solitary peer reviewed back engineered paper that proves AGW casued by co2. Answer; there is none, zip, zero, never has been. It's all a big lie. If you have it refernce it, show it, just do something rather than lie. i would like to see one AGW cite obe single solitary peer reviewed back engineered paper that proves AGW casued by co2. Answer; there is none, zip, zero, never has been. It’s all a big lie. If you have it refernce it, show it, just do something rather than lie.

]]> By: Henry chance http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/post/security-trumps-environment-as-obama-gives-green-light-to-us-consumption-of-alberta%e2%80%99s-oil/#comment-2512 Henry chance Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:19:58 +0000 http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/?p=3418#comment-2512 The pipeline is under construction. It started over 1 year ago. With crude up, it is now more profitible for the canadian economy. Our partner is one of our largest sourfces of oil and trading. The pipeline is under construction. It started over 1 year ago. With crude up, it is now more profitible for the canadian economy. Our partner is one of our largest sourfces of oil and trading.

]]> By: noaaprogrammer http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/post/security-trumps-environment-as-obama-gives-green-light-to-us-consumption-of-alberta%e2%80%99s-oil/#comment-2507 noaaprogrammer Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:12:18 +0000 http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/?p=3418#comment-2507 -- just think of it as man cleaning up a big Mother-nature oil spill. True, it now goes from being a carbon footprint in the sand to one in the sky, but over time, the majority of it will end up in the ocean, gradually incrementing its pH by such a small amount over such a long period of time that the sea creatures will have plenty of time to evolve and adapt. – just think of it as man cleaning up a big Mother-nature oil spill. True, it now goes from being a carbon footprint in the sand to one in the sky, but over time, the majority of it will end up in the ocean, gradually incrementing its pH by such a small amount over such a long period of time that the sea creatures will have plenty of time to evolve and adapt.

]]> By: Lamont County Environment » Blog Archive » Some energy issues of interest and concern http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/post/security-trumps-environment-as-obama-gives-green-light-to-us-consumption-of-alberta%e2%80%99s-oil/#comment-2498 Lamont County Environment » Blog Archive » Some energy issues of interest and concern Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:41:38 +0000 http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/?p=3418#comment-2498 [...] Jun 22, 2009 United States, Great Britain and Russia Climate Action In the News [...] [...] Jun 22, 2009 United States, Great Britain and Russia Climate Action In the News [...]

]]> By: Milan http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/post/security-trumps-environment-as-obama-gives-green-light-to-us-consumption-of-alberta%e2%80%99s-oil/#comment-2495 Milan Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:32:47 +0000 http://www.climaticoanalysis.org/?p=3418#comment-2495 The oil sands are touted as a resource equivalent to a second Saudi Arabia. This is the last thing the world needs. There are only so many fossil fuels we can burn while still having a decent shot of avoiding catastrophic climate change. As a result, fossil fuels are an industry with no long-term future. This is indirectly demonstrated by the shamefully weak greenhouse gas mitigation targets adopted by Alberta. They know that even if CCS development progresses perfectly, it will not let them bring their emissions in line with what is sustainable. More: http://www.sindark.com/2008/09/26/how-much-carbon-dioxide-can-we-release/ http://www.sindark.com/2009/01/23/the-fossil-fuel-industry-has-no-long-term-future/ The oil sands are touted as a resource equivalent to a second Saudi Arabia. This is the last thing the world needs. There are only so many fossil fuels we can burn while still having a decent shot of avoiding catastrophic climate change. As a result, fossil fuels are an industry with no long-term future. This is indirectly demonstrated by the shamefully weak greenhouse gas mitigation targets adopted by Alberta. They know that even if CCS development progresses perfectly, it will not let them bring their emissions in line with what is sustainable.

More:

http://www.sindark.com/2008/09/26/how-much-carbon-dioxide-can-we-release/

http://www.sindark.com/2009/01/23/the-fossil-fuel-industry-has-no-long-term-future/

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